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We are a provider of master policies to PEOs, Payroll and Staffing Companies for Workers’ Compensation Insurance.

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There are several viable options for PEO owners in today’s comp market, including:

  • Guaranteed Cost programs
  • High deductible programs
  • Captive Loss Funds
  • Offshore Loss Funds
  • “Rent-a-captive” Segregated Portfolios

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Coverage Denied or Cancelled?

Workers' Compensation Coverage DeniedHas your workers’ comp coverage been denied or canceled? Not yet? Maybe it isn’t your turn just yet? If renewal time is coming up and you are worried, there are some steps you can take to make it easier.

What is involved in getting workers’ comp coverage? Understand that the insurance company is in the business of managing risks and they are taking a risk every time they add or renew a client. Your goal as a business owner then, along with your agent, is to convince the insurance company, or more specifically the underwriter, that you are a risk worth taking.

Here are the top 10 reasons why company owners either can’t get workers’ comp coverage or have it canceled or denied.

#10: Failure to be specific about what you do.
The ACORD form isn’t always enough. A detailed description of operations goes a long way in to convincing an underwriter that you are worth underwriting. It’s important to use percentages as well. For example, a lawn service company may want to say “80% residential and 20% commercial.” Make sure to list known excessive risk exposures too, such as how often you trim trees, or clean out gutters (involves getting on a roof.) Underwriters do not like surprises!

#9: Failure to maintain a safety program.
This is going to show up in your claims report sooner or later. A safety program not only has to be written, but enforced. Some roofers were seen working on a county school roof recently. They all had harnesses on but they were hooked to nothing. Doesn’t help much. Make sure your employees know the safety program and follow the rules.

#8: Spreading your company too thin.
So many companies try to do more than one thing. A famous person once said “If you try to be everything to everyone, you are going to end up being nothing to nobody.” Find your niche, stick to it, and don’t branch out in to other, riskier areas.

#7: “Shopping” your insurance around on a regular basis.
Sounds like a good business move doesn’t it? It’s not. Underwriters do not want to see your application year after year. Your company will get a reputation as a “policy jumper” and it will become more and more difficult to get a single company to take a chance on you.

#6: Underestimating your payroll to reduce premium.
Admittedly, a lot of times this is the fault of the agent. He or she underestimates your payroll to get you a lower quote. It has a downside, in that it makes you that much less attractive to the carrier. Report your payroll figures as accurately as possible. You plan on growing your company don’t you? It is OK to put that growth in your estimated payroll.

#5: Using too many subcontractors.
Lawyers have learned to “pierce the veil” and “climb the ladder” in subcontractor claims. If more than 20% of your business is handled by subs you are going to have a difficult time getting a traditional workers’ comp policy. Some companies have gone to strategic partner – referral arrangements, rather than subcontracting, because it separates the liability. Granted, you lose control of the cash flow but it is a lot easier to insure.

#4: Using “1099 employees”.
Let’s be clear, there is no such thing as a “1099 employee”. 1099s are reserved for independent contractors. Employees get W-2s. There is no middle ground. If you are paying employees as contractors, and therefore avoiding taxes and premium, sooner or later it will be revealed. The longer it takes to get caught, the more expensive it will be. Be very careful with this. Many states (and the IRS) are cracking down on this.

#3: Owning too many corporations or LLCs.
Workers’ compensation rules are different in different states, but all of them realize the potential cross-company liability of shared ownership companies. So much in fact, that there is a special form (ERM-14) that has a section dedicated to insuring companies with common ownership. While it may seem like a good idea to have multiple companies, most CPAs will tell you that the advantage is minimal compared with the extra paperwork and insurance difficulties. Check with your CPA of course, but it may be to your advantage to have different divisions within one company as opposed to having separate entities.

#2: Putting too much on your website.
Underwriters have the internet on their computers. They know how to use Google. Be assured they will comb every inch of your website to make sure you aren’t doing some high risk activity that you aren’t reporting. This has been the killing blow for several companies trying to get comp coverage. Which leads to the last, and most grievous error companies can commit:

#1: Lying to the insurance company (or agent).
Once you are caught lying on a form, or in an underwriting survey you are pretty much done for. We don’t know exactly how but we know that underwriters communicate with each other. We suspect they have a private Facebook group they tell stories in, and have good laughs about their latest “applicant.”

Never, ever, ever put false information on an insurance form. It’s in writing then and goes on your record. Don’t do it.

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Custom PEO Solutions

Custom fitted PEO solutionWhy would anyone expect to find all their payroll, workers’ comp insurance and HR answers from one PEO?

Would you buy a suit that didn’t fit? So why expect one PEO to do it all?

Many business owners are frustrated that they can’t find the right payroll, workers’ comp or PEO solution that matches their business. Some small businesses feel “swallowed up” in the machine of a large, national payroll company. Larger businesses find that a local PEO or payroll provider just doesn’t have the experience, service or access to products that they need. There is no “One Size Fits All” in business.

Do any of these comments sound familiar?

  • “My PEO doesn’t offer the services I need”
  • “Nice fancy PEO website, but I know I am paying for it”
  • “All we need is workers’ comp and payroll, why are we paying for all this other stuff?
  • “We keep getting denied for workers’ comp coverage”
  • “We’re tired of calling a machine. We want to talk to a person!”
  • “Our rep? You mean this month’s rep? We’ve had 6 different reps in 6 months”
  • “I wish my insurance agent could help us with more than just insurance”

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Is PEO Comp Better Than Traditional Comp?

Workers’ Comp Better with a PEO?

Is PEO Comp Better Than Traditional Comp?While there are many advantages to having a PEO manage your workforce, many times it is troubles with Workers’ Compensation Insurance that brings the client to a PEO.

Is it better to be with a PEO? To have a professional partner to assist you with risk management? We of course, have a bias, but here is another point of view. This is an excellent article written by Antony Kelly
Antony Kelly’s Article

Here are some excerpts we particularly liked:
“Simply put, traditional workers comp coverage will require a small business owner to make an upfront deposit, based on an estimate of their gross annual wages. The company will send quarterly information to the insurer, who then calculates the bill and requests payments. Since these are all estimates, however, an audit is required, including a reconciliation process that will help bring the numbers together. Unfortunately, if the deposits and quarterly estimates do not cover the total amount due, the company is mandated to reimburse the carrier at the end of the year. This could potentially be a substantial cut to the small business person’s cash flow. Interestingly enough, payments that extend beyond the balance may roll over into next years beginning balance; nice for the carrier, bad for the business owner. ”

“PEO companies not only provide you with pay as you go workers compensation but also outsourced benefits and a variety of resources that help you comply with employment related issues and administrative paperwork. In fact, many businesses under 100 employees should be able to significanly reduce their in-house administrative burden through the use of a PEO, which provides additional value over traditional and pay as you go workers comp plans. ”

Thank you to Antony Kelly for writing this article, and to Shane Underwood for finding it.

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PEO Services in Florida

Florida PEO ServicesFlorida is the birth place of PEOs, so there is rarely a problem finding a match for your specific needs here.

PEO Pros is an independent broker, not affiliated with any one PEO but has contracts and agreements with over 125 choices. Doesn’t it make sense to let the Pros find the best match for you?

PEOs in Florida can provide the following services to name a few:

  • Payroll Service in Florida
  • Workers’ Comp in Florida (or Florida Workers’ Comp)
  • Assistance with Unemployment Insurance in Florida
  • Assistance with Health Insurance in Florida

We have PEO partners in the following locations:
Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Sarasota, Bradenton, Ft. Myers, Port Charlotte, Panama City, Ft. Walton Beach, Tallahassee, Pensacola, Destin, Orange County, Lake County, Osceola County, Seminole County, Volusia County, Brevard County, Okaloosa County, Santa Rosa County and Polk County; just to name a few.

Here is an article that explains a little more about PEO Services: Why Use a PEO?

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workers' comp discounts

Workers’ Comp Discounts

workers' comp discountsMany times a day, we are asked if there is a way to get a discount on workers’ comp premium. In Orlando, other parts of Florida, and indeed nationwide, this is a daily part of our workers’ comp quotes process. There are both short and long answers to this.

Short Answer: “Yes, sort of …”

Long Answer
Every state in the country handles workers’ comp their own way, and not surprisingly, no two states are alike. however, at the risk of generalization, we will put states in two categories: Administrative States and Loss-Cost States. Each is discussed below.

Administrative Rates
Many states set the rates for workers’ comp, or at least the “base rate”. Florida, for example, defines the manual rate for each workers’ comp classification code, with help from the National Council for Compensation Insurance (NCCI). These rates can be modified by various factors, including credits for a drug free workplace, a written safety program, a very complicated and confusing program for construction credits, and for all companies the actual claims experience can be taken in to effect.

Loss Cost Factors (LCF) or Loss Cost Modifier (LCM)
Other states may have a base rate table which is multiplied by the insurance carriers LCM, as determined by historical claims data. In addition, some states let the carriers set their own rates for each class code, which is then put through an extensive approval process.

Stay with us, we told you this is the Long Answer

So how does this help a business owner get discount rates? There are two options we will discuss today, traditional policies and co-employment solutions using a PEO.

state workers comp discount programsIn a state like Florida, the traditional policy rates can only be affected by credits and experience modifiers. Credits are offered for a verified, written safety program (2% discount) and a certified Drug Free Workplace program (5% discount). There are also some very confusing credits for new construction, which have not been a major factor in the last few years, sadly. A company that has been paying comp premium for more than 2 years may also be eligible for an Experience Modifier Adjustment. Every new company starts with a multiplier of 1.0, that is, no modification at all. Have a couple of good years with no claims, that multiplier can be less than 1.0, say .92 or .83 for example. Have a couple of bad years with a lot of claims and that multiplier can go up. There are also programs which can refund premium or pay dividends to policy holders, but these are usually restricted to annual premiums of $50,000 or more.

Using a PEO in a Co-Employment Situation is a completely different scenario. In this case, the PEO becomes the employer of record (for comp purposes among others) and pays whatever rate they pay for their employees. Since the client’s employees are now the PEO’s employees, the client no longer pays comp premium, but instead pays a service charge to the PEO. This number is unregulated and negotiable. It is possible for a safe client to negotiate a much lower rate on workers’ comp. Conversely, a client who can’t get coverage from a traditional carrier (because their risk is actually much higher than the state set rate would bear), can get coverage from a PEO by negotiating an equitable service charge.

So while paying a PEO is technically not paying for workers’ comp insurance (it’s their insurance, not yours), you can get your employees covered at a discount rate.

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