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Workers’ Comp Update

Master Workers’ Comp Policies for PEOs and Staffing Companies

Workers’ Compensation coverage continues to be a big problem for startup PEOs and staffing companies. In certain states (California, for example), it is nearly impossible to find a carrier willing to take a chance on a startup operation.

“The staffing industry is particularly tough.” agent Will Tenney tells us. “Carriers that would have a look before have closed their eyes. The rising cost of claims is causing insurers to exercise extreme caution with untested staffing and PEO companies.”

The business has always been cyclic in nature, and it appears that a downturn is due.

What Changed?
The comp industry is best described as “long tailed.” Incidents and occurrences that happened 6 to 8 years ago are still showing a large effect. In states like California and New York, the policies of “employee first” are starting to show costs. The practice of “pay first, investigate later” is taking it’s toll on carrier surplus, and claims reserves are rising throughout the industry.

A spokesperson from a national carrier with a large PEO/staffing presence told us, “It’s not that PEOs and Staffing companies have a higher incidence of claims. That seems to be a level playing field. However, the process of resolving them can take longer when dealing with high deductible policies. Hence, the reserves build up and are held for a longer period of time. This makes taking on a startup PEO or staffing company a much riskier proposition to the actuaries.”

Is There an Upswing Coming?
The answer most given is “too soon to tell.” The wave of optimism sweeping the industry with a conservative administration is there, but many are waiting for that “long tail” to pull through.

What Can a Startup Do?
PEO Pros has been challenged by this dilemma. Clients have been advised to seek out a state fund / assigned risk situation to develop some history (at least three years.) This makes them much more attractive to a carrier.

Why Does Three Years History Help?
When a carrier takes the risk of underwriting a PEO or staffing firm, the potential downside can be very large. Consider a standard $250K high deductible policy. Should the PEO or staffing firm go under the carrier is then responsible for all the claims and associated expenses. Collateral helps, but doesn’t cover it all except in rare cases. The legal costs alone usually eat through collateral in a rapid fashion.

The actuaries prefer to have an established “book of business” to study, to predict performance by studying trends, and the three year (minimum) history.

Why Can’t We Grow Organically?
PEO Pros tells us: “We get asked this all the time. The startup wants to know what they can write and they will go find it. It sounds like a perfectly good business plan until you see the actuary’s side of it. They have no history, no performance metrics or industry trends to study. It is difficult to make a decision in a vacuum.”

Certainly, an established firm can continue to grow organically, but the initial approval is going to require a measurable book of business.

This is frustrating to startups. PEO Pros relates to us: “We often hear the complaints from the startup firms with words to the effect of ‘How are we supposed to start a business?’. It is frustrating to us as well, as we want to help. It is not a pleasant feeling, advising someone to go to a state fund to get three years experience first.”

What Can a Startup Do to Enhance Our Prospects?
There are a few things you can do to make your submission more attractive:

  • Assemble a spreadsheet of proposed clients that have at least three years loss history
  • Have company and personal financial statements ready, current and in good shape
  • Senior board and staff resumes should reflect many years experience in the industry
  • Avoid the tough states for now. Set up a corporation in an easier state and start there, before expanding in to California, New York, etc.
  • Consult with PEO Pros about putting together a professional submission letter

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Three Myths About PEO Agents

why use an agentWhy does a PEO need an insurance agent for their master workers’ comp policy? What does an agent or agency know that they don’t?

Why not just go direct? Cut out the middle man! Doesn’t it cost more money to have an agent involved?

Sounds good but in “real life” things don’t work out that way.

Here are some myths exposed about using an agent in the PEO Master Policy process:

Myth #1: Using an agent will cost the PEO money
Sounds reasonable doesn’t it? After all, the agent gets a commission and it’s a zero sum game isn’t it?

No it’s not. Carriers pay commissions to internal sales people if there is no agent involved, since the commission is already budgeted in to program costs. Also, an agent can negotiate a better deal, not having to worry about conflict of interest problems.

We recently examined two similar, master policy with a captive type deals from the same carrier. One with an agent, one direct. Guess which deal had more profit built in for the PEO. Go ahead. Guess.

Myth #2: The agent doesn’t do anything except for initial binding and renewals.
This one may have some truth in it. These agents are called “Star Trek” agents. They “beam in” for the renewal and then “beam out” again, not to be seen again until next year’s renewal. These agents don’t hold on to clients very long.

A good agent, with a good agency, will provide support on almost a daily basis. Processing new client submissions, advising on risk management, issuing certificates, etc, are all functions of a healthy agency in the PEO / carrier relationship.

Myth #3: Agents can’t help out with problems
Who is better to act as a third party negotiator but your agent? Licensed and trained to do so, an agent, with the power of their agency (and their book of business) often has significant leverage with a carrier, and can greatly influence the outcome of disputes. Certainly it always helps to have another view point in a disagreement.

What it comes down to is who do you trust with your money? When you business is a must, who do you trust?

Startup PEO Master Policies Don't Panic!

Start up PEO? Don’t Panic!

Startup PEO Master Policies Don't Panic!Are you a start up PEO that can’t find a master policy?
Don’t panic.

We can help!

PEO Pros has a special department that handles start up PEOs, Staffing and Payroll companies.

In particular we help with Workers’ Comp, General Liability, EPLI and in some cases Health Insurance.

We have experience with start up companies, so much that the carriers have come to rely on us to help the transition from start up to going concern.

Have you heard these or something similar?

  • “We don’t do start ups”
  • “We require a minimum book of business”
  • “Come back and see us when you have 3 or more years experience”

Sound familiar? Don’t despair. We can help.

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